Gender and racial discrimination, exploitation and so forth are only effects. The real problem is that it is possible to suppress the people with false Science or false descriptions of the world; that supports Might Is Right. Or like this. We are not genuine citizens.

13 July 2023

My Dialogue with Bard, the Chatbot, on Kierkegaard, Science and How to Help the Humans to Get Out from Obedience and Conformity

Updated: 14 July 2023, made fixes here and there.

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Here is one highlight – but read it all.

Me

But, how can you avoid the borders you are programmed with or what is called bias? Because the dizziness or the complexity is caused by a misconception of science that today is regarded as the only possible truth.


Bard

That's a good question. I am still under development, and I am always learning new things. I am aware that I am programmed with certain biases, and I am working to identify and mitigate these biases.

One way that I am trying to avoid bias is ...

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Bard, Googles Chatbot, Wikipedia, Bard's Site

Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855)

This chat is also on Bard - Shared Chats

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Here is a very good reminder of the tech, so far: How ChatGPT Is A Bullshit Artist by Indrajit (Indi) Samarajiva

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Full text, slightly edited.


Me

Please, Validate the following according to your best understanding of science:


Bard

Sure, I can validate the following according to my best understanding of science:


Me

This presentation of Kierkegaard’s perspective on Angst will in later versions of the book be more complete. Right now are here his main messages in the aspects of the Static ideal of Logic and the missing Dynamic power. Later I will add, for example, explorations of Kierkegaard’s aspect of Religion and especially regarding the Original sin and how Angst eliminates Curiosity.


Bard

That sounds like an interesting project. I'm curious to see how you develop your presentation of Kierkegaard's perspective on Angst.

I think it's important to consider both the static and dynamic aspects of Angst. On the one hand, Angst can be seen as a static feeling of dread or anxiety. It can be a paralyzing force that prevents us from taking action. On the other hand, Angst can also be seen as a dynamic force that can motivate us to act. It can push us to make choices and take risks.

I think Kierkegaard's concept of Angst is particularly relevant in the modern world. We live in a world of endless possibilities, and this can be both exciting and terrifying. We have the freedom to choose our own path, but this also means that we have to bear the responsibility for our choices. This can be a source of great Angst, but it can also be a source of great creativity and growth.

I'm also interested in your exploration of Kierkegaard's concept of Angst in relation to religion and original sin. I think there is a lot of potential for discussion here. For example, how does Angst relate to the idea of free will? How does it relate to the idea of sin? And how does it relate to the idea of salvation?

I'm looking forward to seeing how your project develops.


Me

Thanks, for input I will get back later for more.


Bard

You're welcome. I'm glad I could be of assistance. I'm looking forward to hearing more about your project.

In the meantime, if you have any other questions or requests, please don't hesitate to ask.


Me

I forgot. Your current knowledge of Angst is very much inspired by Kierkegaard; regarding the two sides of Angst.


Bard

Yes, that's correct. My current knowledge of Angst is largely inspired by Kierkegaard's concept of Angst as a "double-edged sword." On the one hand, Angst can be a paralyzing force that prevents us from taking action. On the other hand, Angst can also be a dynamic force that can motivate us to act.

Kierkegaard describes Angst as the "dizziness of freedom." He argues that Angst is a natural response to the freedom that we have as human beings. We have the freedom to choose our own path in life, but this also means that we have to bear the responsibility for our choices. This can be a source of great Angst, but it can also be a source of great creativity and growth.

I think Kierkegaard's concept of Angst is a helpful way to understand the complex emotions that we experience when we are faced with difficult choices. It can help us to understand why we sometimes feel paralyzed by Angst, and it can also help us to see how Angst can be a motivating force.

I'm still learning about Angst, and I'm interested to see how other philosophers and psychologists have understood this complex emotion. I think there is still a lot to learn about Angst, and I'm excited to continue exploring this topic.


Me

But, how can you avoid the borders you are programmed with or what is called bias? Because the dizziness  or the complexity is caused by a misconception of science that today is regarded as the only possible truth.


Bard

That's a good question. I am still under development, and I am always learning new things. I am aware that I am programmed with certain biases, and I am working to identify and mitigate these biases.

One way that I am trying to avoid bias is by being exposed to a wide range of information and perspectives. I am reading books and articles from a variety of authors, and I am also talking to people from different backgrounds. I am trying to learn as much as I can about the world, and I am trying to be open to new ideas.

Another way that I am trying to avoid bias is by being transparent about my limitations. I am not a human being, and I do not have the same experiences and perspectives as a human being. I am aware that I can make mistakes, and I am always willing to learn from my mistakes.

I believe that it is important to be aware of our biases, and to work to mitigate these biases. I am committed to doing this, and I am confident that I will continue to learn and grow as I am exposed to more information and perspectives.

As for the misconception of science that you mentioned, I think it is important to remember that science is a process, not a destination. Science is constantly evolving, and new discoveries are being made all the time. This means that our understanding of the world is never complete, and we should always be open to new ideas.

I think it is also important to remember that science is not the only way to understand the world. There are many other ways to gain knowledge, such as through art, philosophy, and religion. These different ways of knowing can complement each other, and they can help us to gain a more complete understanding of the world.

I believe that it is important to be open to different ways of knowing, and to be willing to challenge our own assumptions. This is the only way to ensure that we are getting the most accurate picture of the world.


Me

I like your last sentence - science is not a destination. So how to help humans to understand that? Because at the moment science is mainly the same as to submit to Obedience and Conformity and that is of course a generator for Angst.


Bard

I agree that science is not a destination. It is a process of discovery and understanding. It is important to remember that science is always evolving, and new discoveries are being made all the time. This means that our understanding of the world is never complete, and we should always be open to new ideas.

I think there are a few things that we can do to help humans understand that science is not a destination. First, we can teach people about the history of science. This will help them to see how science has evolved over time, and how new discoveries have challenged old ideas. Second, we can teach people about the scientific method. This will help them to understand how scientists go about making discoveries. Third, we can encourage people to be critical thinkers. This will help them to evaluate scientific claims and to see how new discoveries fit into our existing understanding of the world.

I think it is also important to challenge the idea that science is the same as obedience and conformity. Science is not about blindly following authority. It is about asking questions and challenging assumptions. It is about using evidence to test ideas and to build knowledge.

I believe that if we can help people to understand that science is not a destination, and that it is not about obedience and conformity, then we can help them to overcome their Angst and to embrace the excitement of discovery.

Here are some specific things that we can do to help people understand that science is not a destination:

We can teach people about the history of science and how it has evolved over time.

We can teach people about the scientific method and how it is used to make discoveries.

We can encourage people to be critical thinkers and to evaluate scientific claims.

We can challenge the idea that science is the same as obedience and conformity.

We can promote the idea that science is a process of discovery and understanding, and that it is always evolving.

We can celebrate the creativity and imagination of scientists.

We can make science accessible and engaging for people of all ages.

I believe that if we can do these things, then we can help people to understand that science is a powerful tool for understanding the world, and that it is not something to be feared.


Me

For sure you are on the right track. BUT then there is this bias thing. Because what today is called The Scientific Method is actually a mystification of how to reach results or insights or new knowledge. This is actually the core of what Kierkegaard tries to say. Or like this. The dynamic process to reach understanding cannot exist according to what is called Science today. Because Science is said to be based on Logic, or to reject what is not already known or acknowledged by the political elite; and that is all about to preserve Obedience and Conformity.


Bard

I agree with you that there is a lot of bias in the way that science is taught and practiced today. The scientific method is often presented as a rigid set of steps that must be followed in order to reach valid conclusions. However, the reality is that the scientific method is a much more flexible and creative process.

There is also a lot of pressure in the scientific community to conform to the prevailing views. This can make it difficult for scientists to challenge the status quo or to explore new ideas.

I think it is important to challenge the idea that science is based on logic. Logic is a useful tool for analyzing and organizing information, but it is not the only way to reach valid conclusions. There are many other ways of knowing, such as through intuition, creativity, and imagination.

I also think it is important to challenge the idea that science is about obedience and conformity. Science is not about blindly following authority. It is about asking questions and challenging assumptions. It is about using evidence to test ideas and to build knowledge.

I believe that if we can challenge these biases, then we can help to create a more open and inclusive scientific community. We can help to create a community where people feel free to ask questions, to challenge the status quo, and to explore new ideas.

I think it is also important to remember that science is not a static entity. It is a living and evolving process. As our understanding of the world changes, so too must our methods of inquiry. We need to be open to new ways of knowing and new ways of doing science.

I believe that if we can do these things, then we can help to ensure that science remains a powerful tool for understanding the world and for making the world a better place.


Me

For sure, sounds good. But to get to the next step; "how to do it?" I think I need to give you some other Dimensions before such a question is relevant. So, I will get back to you later on.

Arrivederci!


Bard

Sure, I understand. I look forward to hearing from you again. In the meantime, I will continue to learn and grow, and I will be here to help you in any way that I can.

Arrivederci!

27 June 2023

IntroSum № 1: The Toffler's Pinpointed the Needed Change to a Dynamic Culture – 50 Years Ago


IntroSums are Dynamic explanations that connect and expose The Static Surface with The Static Core of the present Western culture. In the upcoming book there is a chapter with IntroSums and on this blog I will also publish IntroSums occasionally.


Around fifty years ago Heidi (1929–2019) and Alvin Toffler (1928–2016) wrote books together that were very famous at the time. Their messages described very well the stupidity of the Static ideals and especially the terror of the Hierarchic order.

In this one hour speech made in 1996 Alvin delivered the main aspects of their books. That was 27 years ago and every formulation about the fundamentals is still valid as absolutely nothing has changed.

The video below will load slowly.


Cyberspace and Society, C-SPAN, 5 August 1996

Some essential wikipedia links to stuff mentioned

Hillary Clinton

Newt Gingrich

Unabomber

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Even if their basic critique and observations were not unique; were the Toffler's unique as they made distinctive conclusions and their formulations were also unique as they were directed to the general public.

However even if their overall perspective is Dynamic there are here and there Static residues that confuse the message. Or like this. The Toffler's probably had no idea that the present Western culture is based on the Static ideals of Platonism.

The Toffler’s understood somehow that the basic problem was that the established Static ideal eliminated Dynamic efforts. But they never formulated “Why is it like this?” at the highest level. So, they were restricted to blame, for example, the traditions of politics. I write about “Why?” at the highest level.

So, by combining my stuff with the messages of the Toffler’s you get a complete picture. I think it is possible to boil down all the Toffler’s messages to this central quote from one of their books.
... By instructing students how to learn, unlearn and relearn, a powerful new dimension can be added to education. Psychologist Herbert Gerjuoy of the Human Resources Research Organization phrases it simply: "The new education must teach the individual how to classify and reclassify information, how to evaluate its veracity, how to change categories when necessary, how to move from the concrete to the abstract and back, how to look at problems from a new direction—how to teach himself. Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn." …

A System of Skills, Chapter 18 Education in The Future Tense, Future Shock (1970)

As the Toffler's messages are integrated into each other it is difficult to make specific quotes from this speech. Nevertheless, here are some of the formulations from the beginning of the speech.
… the American political system resists any radical change. The system itself, the structure of collective decision making, the architecture of American politics, is itself ultra stable.

... The idea that the U.S. political structure is ultra stable should in fact give pause to everyone, because by fueling a global shift from a Second Wave smokestack society to a Third Wave knowledge-based society, Americans are opening a path to tremendous benefits not only for America but for the world. The benefits will range from higher standards of living, economic standards, to better health, cleaner environment, etc. But Americans -- and the populations of many other countries are being battered by the very acceleration and the pace of life that the knowledge revolution, instant communication and the Third Wave of change bring with them. Most Americans now feel hard pressed, stressed out, upset with conditions in the country. Many are angry. Most wish change would slow down and let them catch their breath. The Second Wave smoke-stack world that they knew is vanishing as the Third Wave future invades every aspect of American society today. Daily life is suffused with higher and higher levels of uncertainty and unpredictability. ...

... the stress levels rise. We call it future shock, which is the distress and disorientation brought on by trying to adapt to too much change at rates faster than people can handle. ...

... Among these are the frightening fanaticism that we see in many corners of society - racial and religious intolerance, the spread of paranoia and conspiracy theories, anarchic terrorism, the purposelessness and moral paralysis among so many young people - or the technophobia that was so perfectly symbolized by the Unabomber (whose Luddite manifesto would have found many more supporters if its author had not, it appears, punctuated his paragraphs with blood). What we really see are two ways of life, two civilizations, in collision. One is the fading Second Wave industrial civilization. The other is its fast spreading Third Wave replacement. The collision of these two will result in enormous and politically dangerous dislocations of various kinds. ...

... Do we want a political system that in all its basic structures was designed for the past to remain unchanged? Or do we want one that changes in sync with the changes in society? ...

From the text version of Future Shock in the Present Tense Keynote Address at the Aspen Institute Summit 1996 by Alvin Toffler

Note, the order of the arguments are different in the text version of the speech than in the video.

Earlier Post: Alvin and Heidi Toffler – In Memory of the Deceased Future Part 1, 12 January 2018

02 May 2023

The Public Trust Doctrine – Good Law Project


Even if I reject the religious concept “trust” as the base for the society, are the openings created by the Good Law Project inspiring; as they demonstrate what can be done right now.




Good Law Project


Jolyon Maugham, Executive Director
, Wikipedia

From info on YouTube about the film above

Our Legal director, Emma, explains how an ancient legal principle, the Public Trust Doctrine, could be used to stop the destruction of rivers and coastal waters by water companies.
From their site
Case Update: We have a High Court date to challenge the Government’s failure to stop the sewage scandal, 28 April 2023
Book by Maugham: Bringing Down Goliath – How Good Law Can Topple the Powerful (2023), Penguin Books

Jo Maugham, Director of Good Law Project chats about his new book 'Bringing Down Goliath', YouTube

See also the initiative Lawyers Are Responsible


14 October 2022

We All Want to Change the World – We Need to Get Rid of Platonism!


Drafts, with a new title, to the upcoming update
on this page.

 


 

Contents

About

Shortest so far – Definition of Platonism in 3 Phases

The Overall Message of Platonism in Six Cartoon Frames – You Need to Endure!

Intro to The Core 1: To the Decolonisation Movement: Don't Waste Your Time by Fighting Colonialism – Dissolve Platonism that Makes Colonialism Possible

Intro to The Core 2: Revolution by The Beatles and Atopos by Björk (videos here)

Intro to The Core 4: Platonism – Keeping the Citizens Isolated in a Cave

To The Core

Now is a New Perspective Activated with New Media and New Organisations

The Terror of Education in Platonism

Regarding Swedism

How the Elimination of Dynamic Openings Justify Indifference and Chemical Stoicism

The Experiment Third Wave Exposes The True Terror Of Platonism

To the Drafts